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Porsche Taycan Charging Time - Stupid fast

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#1 · (Edited)
I think one of the things that made Tesla so popular was their charging infrastructure. Sure the cars are great, but being able to charge them pretty much anywhere really made me comfortable in buying a Model S.

I think the Porsche Taycan charging time is the "killer app" for Porsche.



The official specs from Porsche put the Taycan charging time at approximately 15 minutes for 248.5 miles of range. Porsche has yet to release the official specs on how long it will take for a complete charge.

That number might be somewhat meaningless - like talking about how big your gas tank is as opposed to your car's fuel economy.

Porsche built the Taycan with two permanently excited synchronous motors that combine to make 600 hp and 310 miles of total range. The lithium-ion batteries total 800-volts and were built not for overall size and range, but for fast charging.

Another advantage of this system is that the smaller batteries mean less weight, which is the enemy of performance. And Porsche knows a thing or two about performance!

Going back to the charging time, that works out to about 62 miles of additional range in just 4 minutes. That's well beyond what Tesla offers.

This is all the result of Porsche's "own" charging network called IONITY that offers 350 kW charging vs the 120 kW Tesla Supercharger network. It's actually a joint venture with a bunch of other automakers, including Ford, VW and the other German automakers like Mercedes and BMW.

Owners will also be able to use existing chargers - another nice perk!

I read one report that after the next big push for Porsche will be in overall battery size/capability. With the Taycan set to deliver 310 miles of range on a single charge, the next evolution is targeting 620 miles. I know it's premature to start talking about the "next gen" Taycan when the first one isn't even on sale yet, but it's clear Porsche is thinking long and hard about this.

Looking even further ahead, Porsche said that they plan to have half their cars sold be electrified by 2025.

Currently Tesla has 1,375 Supercharger Stations across the US. How long before Porsche (and it's partners) top this?

Apparently it might not take all that long because Porsche has partnered with Electrify America, which will install 900 stations across in US by mid-2019, and with numerous charging ports per station, that's 5,000 charge ports in total. And that doesn't include all the charging stations being built at every Porsche dealer.

See our detailed story on Porsche's Charging Infrastructure here.

For a look at Porsche's new Fast Chargers, see here.

Here's an interesting video on Fast Charging
 

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#2 ·
Most of the new EV's coming to market are trying to deliver on an 80% charge in less than 30 minutes. Both Tesla and Jaguar have this capability. Moving forward we should also start to see more universal charging stations, so coverage is better for everyone. I'm more curious who will have the least battery degradation.
 
#3 ·
Since most EV owners will probably install a home charging station, its only on rare occasions or longer trips where you'll even have to make use of a public charger. The average range has nearly doubled from what EV's were capable of just a few years ago. If the improvement in tech continues at the same accelerated pace, 500 miles plus isn't out of the question with future iterations of the Taycan.
 
#7 ·
Finally some first hand experience charging the Taycan is showing up and this video shows how the charging progresses throughout a 30-minute timeframe.

I recommend all owners to watch this.

Watch a Porsche Taycan Fast Charge Enough Power in 30 Minutes for 55 U.S. Homes on Thanksgiving!

"The new All Electric 2020 Porsche Taycan can charge at a rate that will easily exceed Tesla's Best fast charging time. In this video watch us charge the new EV Porsche Taycan from 4 to 80 percent of charge in just a half an hour. Which is enough electricity to Power 55 American homes all cooking turkeys on Thanksgiving."
 
#8 ·
The fullychargedshow just posted their video on what its like charging the Taycan on a road trip.


Jonny has already experienced the Porsche Taycan launch control ability (0-62 in 2.8 for the Turbo S using over-boost function) in a previous world exclusive Fully Charged episode, but this film is the first road drive of the finished car. A chance to experience the 270kW rapid charging capability, we drove the 2020 Taycan Turbo (not really a turbo, but more a performance level name - 0-62mph in 3.2) from Gothenburg Sweden to Copenhagen Denmark as part of the international launch of the model. Porsche held an 18-day road trip launch event where 18 cars were driven in stints 6,440km across 9 different countries. The 280-mile/450km range, 800v, 100kWh (93.4 of which is useable), up to 680PS (500kW) 850nm twin motor rear-steer Turbo price starts at £115,000, but there will be cheaper versions of Porsche’s first EV coming within the next six months. In stock form both Taycan Turbo and the £138,000 Turbo S feature 625PS (460kw) of power, but it is in over-boost mode for those infamous relentless launch control drag races where the power differences are unlocked. Turbo S gets 761PS (560kW) compared to the 680PS (500kW) Turbo. It may not have the range of a Tesla Model S P100D (the so-called Plaid does not yet exist as a production vehicle), or the 0-60 on paper, or the seating capacity (Taycan is a 4 seat or optional 5) but the Porsche chassis promises better road holding and stopping performance. The Taycan can also charge up to 270kw, which translates to 5-80 percent charge in 22 minutes. Or 62 miles (100km) of driving in 5 mins. And then there’s the build quality that a legacy car manufacturer brings to the table.
 
#9 ·
Tesla Model 3 vs. Porsche Taycan charging speed tested by German publication:
  • "Then they asked whether the Taycan charges as fast (in km per hour) as promised. And the answer, again, was no – it actually charges faster. Porsche’s marketing material states that the Taycan will go from 5-80% in 22.5 minutes, but Nextmove saw 1-80% in 21 minutes, so about 10% faster.
  • Working out the IONITY rate against their consumption numbers, Nextmove found the Model 3 charged at a rate of 550 kilometers of range per hour of charging, and the Taycan charging at a rate of 717 km/h – a 30% win for the Taycan.
  • But on the faster V3 superchargers, the Model 3 attained a rate of 651 km/h, which is just 10% slower than the Taycan."
more about the range findings mentioned here are in this video and this article:
 
#10 ·
Tesla Model 3 vs. Porsche Taycan charging speed tested by German publication:
  • "Then they asked whether the Taycan charges as fast (in km per hour) as promised. And the answer, again, was no – it actually charges faster. Porsche’s marketing material states that the Taycan will go from 5-80% in 22.5 minutes, but Nextmove saw 1-80% in 21 minutes, so about 10% faster.
  • Working out the IONITY rate against their consumption numbers, Nextmove found the Model 3 charged at a rate of 550 kilometers of range per hour of charging, and the Taycan charging at a rate of 717 km/h – a 30% win for the Taycan.
  • But on the faster V3 superchargers, the Model 3 attained a rate of 651 km/h, which is just 10% slower than the Taycan."
more about the range findings mentioned here are in this video and this article:
I had to laugh a bit that they were comparing their numbers to a test where they were driving both cars at 93 mph/150 km/h! in the winter. Crazy Germans.

They used consumption numbers from a previous test where they found the Model 3 was 34% more efficient than the Taycan at 150km/h in the wintertime. This is clearly an Autobahn-focused test, as 93mph is illegal on all roads in the United States.
 
#11 ·
Car and Driver posted this massive article where as a part of it they tested the Taycan's charging with the Model S'.

The highlight that with the Taycan you can get higher miles at a higher rate the longer you charge, but the problem is that it's more expensive to charge than the Model S.

They said in this example it cost $43 to charge the Taycan, 5x more than California electricity and over 2x more than you pay for Supercharging.

It might not matter with the 3 years of free charging that the Taycan gets from Electrify America but it's something to keep an eye out for.

Porsche Taycan Turbo S vs. Tesla Model S Performance charging
 
#19 ·
Not with the current infrastructure, no. I don't see any advantages in buying one.

As for Model 3 or Model S. If you actullay compare them space wise, the Taycan is closer to the 3 than it is to the S

Trunk: 366 LItre Volume vs 425 Litre on the Model 3 vs Model S 745Litre
2nd row space 35" vs 35" vs 38" Model S
4 seater, 5 seater (more or less 4 really), real 5 seater.

0-60mph about 0.3-0.5S difference

Charging speed 250kW vs 250kW vs 200kW

As you can see the Model S is a totally different car and barely comparable to the Taycan in any regard.
 
#24 ·
Yes, the Model 3 has great specs but lets not forget about price and everything else about the two. Its day and night.

Literally no one will be cross-shopping these two models.

VW Group will eventually offer something that gets closer to the Model 3 on price.
News of that RWD EV platform to underpin a number of vehicles from Porsche to Audi will make that possible. And in case you're wondering, it will house a powertrain with output similar to the Taycan.

My guess is it will be some Audi 4-door.
 
#25 ·
If we can bring this thread back to charging time for a second. Elektroautomobil tested the Taycan's charging and they shared this charging curve.

This is what the charging curve of the Porsche Taycan Turbo we tested for the current issue of the EAM looks like. ⚡ ⚡ ⚡

Facts:
  • max. Charging power: 262 kW
  • Charging time from 10-80 %: 21 min
  • Average. Charging power: 193 kW
  • after loaded range of 10-80 %: 250 km (with a max. WLTP consumption of 26,7 kWh / 100 km)



Porsche Taycan Charging Curve
 
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