Charging options for the Taycan haven't been entirely covered and I would like to know what Porsche will give us.
So far, existing Porsche's with electric power like e-hybrid versions of the Panamera and Cayenne are our only point of reference. Our Taycan's will likely get the same options of a charging dock, charging pedestal and charging cable. I don't expect much to change with the existing setup. Its best if Porsche keeps it as universal possible. Only difference this time around is the fact we'll a lot of dedicated "turbo charging" stations that are game changing. 60 miles range in the time it take you to buy a cup of coffee, about 4 minutes. Read on.
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Porsche Universal Charger (AC) - Panamera E-Hybrid
Near shopping centers, in high rises or on the road: many towns and cities have public charging station compatible with your Porsche E-Hybrid model.
Alternatively, you can use the Porsche Universal Charger (AC) connected to a suitable, professionally installed electrical outlet, e.g. at work or when visiting friends. Porsche offers special easy-to swap adapters to make this possible for different electrical sockets.
Your charging equipment can be stored in the space-saving transport case in the luggage compartment. If you would like to recharge your sports car abroad, you can request a compatible supply cable – available for all common electrical sockets worldwide.
With Porsche Connect, you will be able to locate the charging infrastructure that you require even faster in future: a dedicated function displays charging pedestals nearby, on your route or at your destination.
Since 2017 Porsche has been building out 350 kW "turbo chargers" via its charging network company Electrify America, headed by its parent company, VW. By time our Taycan's arrive, over 900 Electrify America station are said to be fully functional. Two 350 kW chargers will be at each of their highway stations, the rest being 150 kw. Simply put, its enough to topple Tesla's charging network which is already highly raved about. Best of all we get "3-years unlimited" usage of these stations!
As someone who works from home 1/2 the time, those EA chargers will still be very useful, possibly reducing my reliance on the home charging setup we get by a lot. Some Tesla Model S owners I know also find that to be the case. Chargers are free and conveniently located so why not if you like getting out enough? In that case the home charging setup mainly acts a backup and the most convenient option, using it, not exactly a "porsche experience". I know its just a cable and initial install but takes away from practicality a bit too much.
Porsche is said to debut the Taycan with a floor charger that uses inductive charging to address that. All we do is park our Taycan over the wireless floor charger.
BMW already offers it for the BMW 530e (video below). Porsche hasn't said much about their system but it can't be much different from what BMW is doing, aside from design.
“BMW Wireless Charging employs the same inductive charging technology already widely used for supplying power to devices such as mobile phones and electric toothbrushes to now also recharge the high-voltage batteries in electrified vehicles. The principal benefit here is the unrivalled ease of use, as drivers no longer need to hook up their plug-in hybrid car using a cable in order to replenish its energy reserves. Instead, as soon as the vehicle has been parked in the correct position above the inductive Charging Station, followed by a simple push of the Start/Stop button, the charging process is initiated. Once the battery is fully charged, the system switches off automatically.”
I cant imagine anyone taking time out of their day to drive somewhere to charge, unless they are traveling out of town with their vehicle. Except for super chargers along highways, and convenience chargers at grocery stores and public buildings intended for public relations (like at Whole Foods), I will argue that 99% of electric car owners will charge at home or at work. The charging stations are just there to psychologically make people get over range anxiety, and for cross country traveling.
Seriously, do you expect me to drive 30 minutes in Atlanta traffic to go to the Porsche dealer to charge, just to meet other Porsche owners charging there vehicle???? (actually, the will be just sitting there unused, as its just totally impractical notion to think Porsche owners, except for retirees, will drive to a Porsche dealer to charge). Or do you expect me to drive to another part of town for electrify America charging station? The notion is utterly absurd. Now if I am driving to Miami, it would be nice to know that there are 15 minute charging stations on the way and that would be the only time a actually use Porsche dealer or Electrify America stations.....although most likely I would buy a plane ticket, fly to Miami and rent a car there.
Shell may be moving towards electric charging stations at gas stations. That is a notion that might a little more practical, but not significantly. Until all electrics have the 800 volt system, it would only be practical or even useful for VW/Audi/Porsche owners where charging can take 15-20 minutes. My prediction is that Electrify America and similar companies will not turn a profit and will ONLY exist with lots of subsidies for car manufacturers.
Ask yourself, do you charge your cell phone at home while you sleep, or would you drive somewhere to charge your phone?
And I will charge my car at work at my office building where power usage in the building is business expense....LOL
Porsche-backed (and other car makers) IONITY just finished setting up their 100th charging station in Europe.
“We are pleased to have achieved another important milestone for IONITY. Rygge is an ideal stop-off and charging location for those travelling from Oslo to Gothenburg, Malmø, Copenhagen and Hamburg. The latest generation of ultra-fast charging stations delivering 350 kW, are currently the last word in high power charging. Depending on the capacity of the vehicle’s battery, drivers can benefit from significantly shorter charging times. In addition we have secured agreements with renewable energy suppliers in nine countries and are able to offer our customers green energy.”
Stuttgart. Just a few months ahead of the world premiere of the Taycan, the first fully electric sports car from Porsche, the development of the High Performance Charging infrastructure from IONITY in Europe also comes closer to the finish line. The joint venture from Porsche and Audi for the Volkswagen Group as well as BMW, Daimler and Ford opened it’s 100th High Power Charging Point (HPC) just a couple of days ago. The location in Rygge, Norway offers six charging points and state-of-the-art charging technology with 350 kW charging power and is equipped with the European Charging Standard Combined Charging System (CCS). A further six charging points are prepared, with space to expand to up to 18 HPC stations if required.
"We are pleased to have achieved another important milestone for IONITY. Rygge is an ideal stop-off and charging location for those travelling from Oslo to Gothenburg, Malmø, Copenhagen and Hamburg. The latest generation of ultra-fast charging stations delivering 350 kW, are currently the last word in high power charging. Depending on the capacity of the vehicle’s battery, drivers can benefit from significantly shorter charging times," says Dr. Marcus Groll, COO of IONITY.
95 percent of 400 targeted sites are already under contract
Next to the 100th (HPC) site there are a further 51 sites under construction. In Germany, there are 24 sites with at least four charging points in operation. A further elven are planned. All over Europe, there will be 400 sites in business until the year 2020. For about 95 percent of the planned stations, the contracts with the respective site owners have already been signed.
IONITY is based in Munich and was founded in 2017; it is a joint venture of the BMW Group, Daimler AG, Ford Motor Company and the Volkswagen Group including Audi and Porsche. IONITY’s mission is to build an extensive and reliable High-Power Charging network (HPC) for electric vehicles in Europe to make comfortable long-distance travel a reality. IONITY has been able to secure attractive national and international locations through its strong cooperation partners.
Taycan offers several charging options
The Porsche Taycan will have its debut in September, and market launch is scheduled to take place before the end of the year. The first purely electrically powered sports car from Porsche offers a range of about 500 kilometers (according to NEDC) and can take on the energy to travel 100 kilometers in just about four minutes. More than 20,000 people around the world with serious interest in buying one of their own and have made a deposit.
"With the Taycan, we are shaping the future of e-mobility at all levels," says Detlev von Platen, Member of the Executive Board for Sales and Marketing at Porsche AG. "This includes an intelligent ecosystem with coordinated charging options – at home and on the move. We are not only expanding the charging infrastructure in Europe with IONITY, we are also establishing a fast-charging infrastructure at our worldwide Porsche Centres and charging facilities at popular destinations, such as restaurants and hotels."
I cant imagine anyone taking time out of their day to drive somewhere to charge, unless they are traveling out of town with their vehicle. Except for super chargers along highways, and convenience chargers at grocery stores and public buildings intended for public relations (like at Whole Foods), I will argue that 99% of electric car owners will charge at home or at work. The charging stations are just there to psychologically make people get over range anxiety, and for cross country traveling.
Seriously, do you expect me to drive 30 minutes in Atlanta traffic to go to the Porsche dealer to charge, just to meet other Porsche owners charging there vehicle???? (actually, the will be just sitting there unused, as its just totally impractical notion to think Porsche owners, except for retirees, will drive to a Porsche dealer to charge). Or do you expect me to drive to another part of town for electrify America charging station? The notion is utterly absurd. Now if I am driving to Miami, it would be nice to know that there are 15 minute charging stations on the way and that would be the only time a actually use Porsche dealer or Electrify America stations.....although most likely I would buy a plane ticket, fly to Miami and rent a car there.
Shell may be moving towards electric charging stations at gas stations. That is a notion that might a little more practical, but not significantly. Until all electrics have the 800 volt system, it would only be practical or even useful for VW/Audi/Porsche owners where charging can take 15-20 minutes. My prediction is that Electrify America and similar companies will not turn a profit and will ONLY exist with lots of subsidies for car manufacturers.
Ask yourself, do you charge your cell phone at home while you sleep, or would you drive somewhere to charge your phone?
And I will charge my car at work at my office building where power usage in the building is business expense....LOL
If you work/live/play in a major city center or just outside one, using the charging network more often can make sense. For 80% of consumers it will be mainly at-home. The destination-based chargers Tesla has around are very convenient. If I bought a Model S instead those same chargers along my commute routes and local shopping areas would be frequented a lot. So its all based on lifestyle.
Any update on this?
A few things that I have heard, and sorry I am ignorant to the EV car.....that conventional 120V house charging will take 'forever'......that 220V (along w/ owner expense to wire that to your garage) is better.
Also.......I know all batteries are different however.....some EV owners claim that charging before significant depletion affects long-term battery life.....i.e. the person that doe not spring for the 220V and just plans to plug the car in every night after the 20 mile daily run to work & back will experience poor battery life.
Anyone more knowledgeable on this?
Here is some updated information about charging the Taycan.
- Porsche is partnering with Electrify America and Electrify Canada in North America and Ionity in Europe for its charging network.
- Porsche claims that the Taycan will be able to charge from 5-80% in 22.5 minutes with 270kW charging.
- With 270kW charging Porsche says you can 100 km of range in 5 minutes.
- Porsche dealers in the United States and Canada will also have charging stations.
- There are three available components for home charging: mobile charger, charging dock, and optional home energy manager. The home energy manager helps manage the power flow in your home to prevent blackouts.
- With AC level 1 charging at home (9.6 kW), Porsche says that it will take approximately 11 hours to reach a full charge. Apparently Porsche is working on 19.2 kW AC charging.
- For home charging installation, customers in the United States Porsche will be collaborating with a national home installation parter. In Canada, customers will have access to a network of technicians approved by Porsche. They'll get free home checks from Porsche to see what the best charging solution is for them.
- You'll be able to monitor the Taycan when its charging with a phone app from Porsche. You’ll be able to look at things such as vehicle information, battery status, and set up timed charging versus immediate charging. You can also find charging points that nearby and find out if they’re available or if they’re being used by someone else. The app will also give you 1 charging bill for all the different facilities that you use.
SAE J1772 is the connector we're using according to Porsche:
"This is a particular advantage for Taycan drivers on the road: under ideal conditions, the charging time from five to 80 percent State of Charge (SoC) is just 22.5 minutes, with a maximum charging power (peak) of up to 270 kW. The overall capacity of the 800V high voltage battery is 93.4 kWh. Taycan drivers can comfortably charge their cars with up to 9.6 kW of alternating current (AC) at home using a standard SAE J1772 connector. The EPA range estimate for North American market is pending for both vehicles."
Taycan Charging Times:
22.5 min - Charging time for alternating current (AC) with 9.6kW (0 to up to 100%)
93.0 min - Charging time for direct current (DC) with 50kW (5 to up to 80%)
10.5 hrs - Charging time for direct current (DC) with 270kW (5 to up to 80%)
It looks like the Taycan comes with an 8-year warranty for the battery.
In Canada, it's an 8-year/130,000 KM warranty and in America it's 8-years/100,000 miles.
I don't know how much people plan to drive their Taycan's but it seems like you can get a lot out of the warranty if you don't use...
In the Taycan's Brochure (On Page 51 under "Important Information") Porsche recommends that "the maximum charge status of the high-voltage battery should be set to approx. 80%" if you plan on charging the Taycan on a daily basis.
Their reasoning in the brochure seems to be "For physical and...
The charge port door on our Taycan's use a swipe to open function as demonstrated here. Once opened, accessing the CCS charging port requires an extra step.
One thing I've been paying attention to recently is how Tesla's wall charger is priced compared to Porsche's
On their website Tesla sells their Silver Wall Connector for $500. That doesn't include how much installation costs with an electrician. Along with that you can also purchase their...
Porsche promised to address the Taycan's subpar charging and range in an update.
"With recent software updates in place, the Tesla Model S and Model X can charge at up to 200 kW and the Model 3 Standard Range Plus charges at 170 kW. Currently, the Taycan's charge rate comes in at 250 kW, though...
