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Audi has finally unveiled their electric 4 door sedan that will rival Porsche's Taycan. It will be building upon the same platform, with an 800 volt system and Audi has estimated its power output to be around 582hp. They didn't give any specifics in relation to price or range, but we will learn more details as its 2020 production date grows closer. Looks fantastic imo.
 

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Finally something that has no obligation to feel refined or driver focused in the way any Porsche has to, I always felt that held back some Porsche models.
 

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That is one sleek looking concept, and a good step forward for Audi's design. Some of the articles going around suggest a 248 mile range, but I'd wait until we get something official from Audi themselves.
 

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Interesting that a vehicle based upon the same platform has been rated at a lower range. I wonder if these specs are similar to what we can expect from the base model Taycan. 250 miles does seem to be the new standard for Ev's.
 

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Until we get a confirmation on the E-Trons price point and the hierarchy structure of the Taycan, we don't really know how they'll compare. The estimated specs still make it more than practical as a daily driver.
 

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Audi isn't going to have their flagship R8 in the lineup after next year either, so odds are we could see an electric model replacing it. There were rumors of an R6 for years, but it doesn't look like Audi has any interest in producing it.
 

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All high end performance models seem to be transition to hybrid/electric powerplants, even though the NSX hasn't really seen all that much interest. Acura is going to have to make some improvements to that platform if they hope to stay competitive.
 

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The hybrid setup that Acura has been using in their flagship model hasn't really done all that much to improve efficiency. But it that really something that someone in the market for a high performance car cares about?
 

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Once these move to the used market, sure, but definitely not with people owning these from new. Keeping the EPA happy is a challenge though.
 

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A usable pure electric range could be a huge motivator for purchase. This would basically allow owners to run their super cars for free within city limits.
 

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This new report sheds more light on what to expect from the E-Tron GT and more on Audi's electric line up.

The biggest takeaway is how similar its platform will be to the MEB

The platform has been designed with a rear-mounted motor as standard, with the possibility to add a second electric motor on the front axle offering all-wheel drive. The architecture can also accept systems such as torque vectoring and all-wheel steering that don’t feature on the Volkswagen Group’s MEB platform, on which Audi is also developing models.

Audi hasn’t given performance details of the new PPE platform, but says it is “generally similar to that of the MEB”.

The new four-door coupé previewed by the firm is roughly A4-sized, with styling similar to the swooping A7 Sportback, and a front grille and bumper design that echoes the E-tron GT.

Audi wouldn’t confirm that it would reach production in this form with the PPE platform, though designer Parys Cybulski said the brief was for it to be a “statement”.

He added that the model was still in the early design stages, and that it “could be the most important car on this platform”, because it would help show the direction future models could take.

The company said PPE cars would start to be produced from early in the next decade with the Sportback model set to be a showcase for the architecture, which has been developed to cover the “upper medium-size class to the luxury class”. It will be used as the basis for crossovers, SUVs, Sportback models and estates. That suggests it will eventually be used for EV equivalents of higher-level models such as the A6 Avant, A7 Sportback, A8, Q7 and Q8.

The PPE models will be joined by cars built on three other EV platforms. The already launched E-tron uses a modified version of the MLB Evo platform. An E-tron Sportback will be launched soon, and Audi has hinted a third variant could follow, although they were tight-lipped on what form it would take.

The forthcoming E-tron GT will be a sister car to the Porsche Taycan, using that firm’s J1 architecture designed for high-performance models.

Audi will also develop high-volume models on the Volkswagen Group’s MEB platform, which is also being used by VW, Seat and Skoda. Audi’s first MEB model, due in 2020, will be the Q4 E-tron.
 

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Audi revealed to Autocar that it will introduce high-performance e-tron GT RS models along with the base level and S trims.

Expect the e-tron GT RS to come next year at the very least.

This could be another option for people since it's going to share a lot of components with the Taycan.

Audi Sport is ramping up its electrification offensive under new management, and will next year introduce the RS branding to a battery-powered model in the form of the production E-tron GT saloon.

The sister model to the Porsche Taycan, set to be offered in regular, S and high-performance RS trims throughout its existence, is also likely to be joined by an RS version of Audi’s recently revealed E-tron Sportback. A number of plug-in hybrid RS models are also on the cards, while a new E-tron version of the current-generation R8 is tipped to appear next year as a prelude to a possible all-electric R8 replacement in a few years’ time.

The plan for the Audi Sport division to embrace hybrid and electric propulsion has been devised under the joint management of directors Oliver Hoffmann and Julius Seebach. Expanding into new EV and PHEV markets is the priority now the division’s SUV offensive is well under way; this year it has launched the RS Q3 and RS Q3 Sportback, the diesel-powered SQ5 and both SQ8 and RS Q8 range flagships.


Speaking at the recent Los Angeles motor show, Seebach confirmed that the E-tron GT – revealed in concept form at last year’s LA show and later driven by Autocar – will be offered with the same three powertrain choices as traditional Audi models, such as the A6, S6 and RS6.

The concept E-tron GT featured a dual-motor, all-wheel-drive electric powertrain making 582bhp and around 600lb ft. A 96kWh battery gave a claimed range of 250 miles, with 0-62mph quoted in 3.5sec. The production version, which will make its debut at next year’s LA motor show, will share its J1 electrical architecture with the Taycan, but it’s not clear if the Porsche’s three-variant lineup, comprised of the 523bhp 4S, the 670bhp Turbo and 751bhp Turbo S, will transfer over with identical specs.

More likely is that the base E-tron GT will start at a lower output, and therefore a lower price point, than the base Taycan. Both cars will use the same 800V electrical architecture, however, and weigh about the same. Expect standard and S models at launch, with the RS arriving slightly later.

Seebach also confirmed that, as Autocar first reported in September, plug-in hybrids are formally under development by Audi Sport’s engineers. The powertrains will be introduced on the next generation of RS models, and it is understood that the first Audi RS model to be offered as a PHEV will be the next-generation RS4.

That car will compete head to head with the next Mercedes-AMG C63, which, as confirmed in October, will ditch the current car’s V8 in favour of a 500bhp-plus plug-in hybrid four-cylinder powertrain. It will also be four-wheel drive, challenging Audi Sport’s long-established quattro system when it arrives in early 2022. Expect the new RS4 to arrive slightly later, given that the current model only went on sale last year.

Speaking separately at the LA motor show, Audi’s exterior design boss Andreas Mindt said his team is “absolutely” considering introducing the RS branding into the E-tron Sportback SUV for an ultra-fast variant aimed at the upcoming Tesla Model Y Performance.

Discussing the potential for an RS E-tron Sportback, Mindt said: “It’s very similar to what you see with the RS Q8. You have to start with the standard car and build it up.”

Such a model would carry over the classic RS design principles of big wheels and an aggressive bodykit to help differentiate, while changes to the chassis and steering will also be introduced. In a theoretical sense it’s relatively easy to turn up the wick for the electric motors, which in the standard E-tron Sportback together put out 402bhp in the most powerful Boost mode. One possibility already hinted at is the introduction of a third electric motor, which would not only significantly increase peak outputs but also allow torque to be apportioned across each individual rear wheel for more neutral handling qualities.

A timeframe for a performance Audi E-tron SUV is unconfirmed, but prototypes of a standard-bodied E-tron with uprated, lowered suspension have been seen lapping the Nürburgring since May. It’s possible we’ll see something previewed next year for introduction in 2021.

Before all this, however, it is understood that Audi will revive the all-electric R8 E-tron as an upgraded model to go into limited production once again late next year. The brand first presented a second-generation version of the pure-electric supercar in 2015, but production was canned around 16 months later due to extremely slow demand. A price tag of around £850,000 was considered to blame for Audi only producing 100 examples in that period.

Details of the new car have yet to be made official, but it is expected that it will look broadly similar to the 2015 car (see previous page). That model used a dual-motor EV powertrain, mated to a 92kWh battery, putting out 456bhp and 679lb ft for a 0-62mph time of 3.9sec and a promised range of up to 280 miles.

Substantial developments of EV powertrains over the past four years mean that a power increase is likely, but the focus for Audi will be to bring the model’s price down to a more reasonable figure. Nevertheless, it is not expected that the revived R8 E-tron will be any more than a limited-production model.
 
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