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Tesla is back!

A Model S that looks similar to the Taycan dethroning version we seen last time on the Nurburgring was spotted on the same track.
In the coming days/weeks as more details come out the battle could brew up again if more information is revealed.

At least for now we know Tesla/Elon came through on their promise of something better.

Regardless of how well it performs, I'm still getting the Taycan.

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Tesla Model S Spied Back At The Nurburgring
Just as Tesla promised.
After Porsche set a new EV lap record at the Nurburgring with its Taycan electric vehicle, Tesla has been eager to one-up the German automaker. Days after Porsche’s announcement, modified Tesla Model S sedans were captured lapping the famous track. But Tesla’s time there was short, the company promising to return in October, which it has done. New spy photos show two modified Tesla Model S sedans at the track this month, and they look a little different, too.

The most noticeable difference is the air outlets on the front fender behind the wheels. This could help cool the brakes, help with aerodynamics, or provide another performance benefit as Tesla chases Porsche. The other difference is a massive rear diffuser tucked under the rear bumper. Again, this could help with aerodynamics and downforce. Previous modifications, such as the wide grille opening, carbon-ceramic brakes, rear spoiler, and wider fenders, remain unchanged.

There’s a good chance Tesla already, unofficially, bested Porsche’s 7:42 time around the track. Last month we reported that Tesla could be beating Porsche’s time by a full 20 seconds. However, if Tesla were to beat Porsche’s record, the German automaker may be able to set an ever faster lap time. When Porsche lapped the Nurburgring with the Taycan and set a new record, it did so with the Taycan Turbo, not the slightly more powerful – thanks to Overboost and Launch Control – Taycan Turbo S. Both produce the same 616 horsepower (460 kilowatts); however, the Turbo S can produce up to 751 hp (560 kW) in a pinch.


Tesla Model S Spied At Nurburgring

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For Tesla to officially beat Porsche, it will have to offer whatever modifications it made to the cars to the car-buying public, which is something Tesla CEO Elon Musk said would happen with the Plaid package. There’s a good chance Tesla will set a new lap record at the track. How long it will stand is the key question.
 

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A report suggests the Tesla seen here laps the 'Ring in 7 minutes and 23 seconds, almost 20 seconds faster than the Taycan. However the mysterious nature of the Tesla has me wondering if Tesla is just doing damage control, having not prepped a higher performing road ready model. I mean, the windows are all blacked out. What's there to hide? Porsche sure didn't do that. Tesla simply had no choice but to respond ASAP.

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Tesla's Nurburgring run revs up debate over speed records
A Model S apparently went faster than a Porsche Taycan, but it was clearly modified


FRANKFURT, Germany — Tesla's attempts to humble Porsche with a new lap record on Germany's legendary Nürburgring Nordschleife racetrack have reignited a controversy about the value of lap times, as the circuit steps in to quash claims of cheating.
Porsche and Tesla are battling to establish supremacy in lap times for four-door electric performance cars, but comparisons are not exact, as conditions, ranging from car modifications to tire types, vary with each test.




"We want to have circumstances that can be understood and replicated," said Nürburgring spokesman Alexander Gerhard, adding that the racing circuit operator had moved to tighten rules by which a carmaker can claim a certified lap time.
Setting a new record time for four-door electric cars would give Tesla's aging Model S a boost just as German rivals Audi, Mercedes-Benz, BMW and Porsche prepare to launch their own electric cars.
Automakers use the Nordschleife, one of the world's most treacherous courses with 40 right-hand and 33 left-hand turns, to hone a vehicle's sporting characteristics and burnish a car's image for marketing purposes.
Tesla was recently spotted with a variant of its Model S sedan at the circuit, which is 20.8 km (12.9 miles) long, with slanted cambers and a 300-meter altitude difference between its highest and lowest points.
German car magazine Auto Motor und Sport said a Tesla was seen recording an unofficial time of 7 minutes and 23 seconds, which would beat a lap time set by Porsche's Taycan, which Porsche says achieved a lap time of 7 minutes and 42 seconds.


But Tesla's challenge has prompted questions about whether the Silicon Valley car maker is playing fair.
"The car was heavily modified," said Stefan Baldauf, who photographs prototype vehicles being tested on the circuit for a living.
"Aside from a roll cage and the driver's seat, the interior had been stripped out," he said. "The windows were blacked out, so it was hard to tell."
The Tesla also appeared to have semi-slick tires, used only on racing circuits and unsuited for everyday use, Baldauf said.
A Porsche spokeswoman told Reuters the Taycan ran its lap using standard tires.
"A comparison is hardly fair if this is the vehicle used to demonstrate that Tesla is faster," Baldauf added.
Jens Boehle, a notary who certified lap times by Porsche, said, "Scope for cheating is as big as you can imagine. Is it a prototype vehicle, a standard road-legal vehicle, or is it a specially modified racing version of a standard road car?"
"These are just some of the questions that need to be answered."

Tesla Chief Executive Elon Musk responded on Twitter this week.
"The final configuration used at Nürburgring to set the record will go into production around summer 2020, so this is not merely for the track," Musk said.
Musk's comment does not address the tires or the fact that a vehicle vying for a passenger-car record has had its passenger seats removed. Tesla declined to comment on its lap record effort.
Officials are trying to standardize speed record attempts, Gerhard, the Nürburgring spokesman, said. In some runs for the record, cars were allowed to make a flying start using a 20.6-km (12.8-mile) stretch of the track.
"We now mandate that the full 20.8 km is used," Gerhard added. "And we employ a notary to measure the time following rumors that another manufacturer had cheated, by speeding up video footage."
It also mandates where timing devices should be located.
On Twitter, Musk confirmed that Tesla is using the Nordschleife to market its "Plaid" mode on a seven-seater Tesla Model S.
"We expect these track times to be beaten by the actual production 7 seat Model S Plaid variant that goes into production around Oct/Nov next year," Musk wrote.
Porsche's 919 Evo hybrid race car holds the overall Nürburgring record for all vehicle categories, with a lap time of 5 minutes and 19 seconds, set in 2018.
Nürburgring hopes the new rules, introduced this year, will help revive the circuit's popularity as a venue for competitive benchmarking.
"We want to be a believable benchmark," Gerhard said.
 

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A simulation facility in LA, Base 51, created a simulation model of the Plaid Model S on the Nurburgring and the driver set a lap time in the 7:34 range.

 

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Car and Driver released a big comparison article with the Taycan Turbo S and Model S Performance and they tested things like acceleration, range, and charging.

  • The Taycan's repeatable performance was on full display. In 15 consecutive 1/4 mile runs the Taycan was consistently in the 10-11 second range, while the Model S got slower after the first run.
  • With charging the Taycan gets more miles at a higher rate deeper in the charge than the Model S, but it costs more to charge than the Model S.
  • In the range test the numbers are way closer than the EPA number suggest

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Really crazy to see that by the 6th run the Tesla was running a 15 second quarter mile time. Just brutal. And people say Tesla has superior battery tech and programming...
 

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I think that the Supercharger network is probably the best reason to get a Tesla, but Porsche is building up their network fast.

Tesla currently has 1,375 Supercharger Stations
Porsche Taycan Charging Time - Stupid fast

Porsche has said they'll have 327 by the middle of this year
350kW Charing Stations: Where are They? Where Will They be?
You have to also take the chargers into account, not just the stations. Because each Tesla station has at least 6-8 some have 20-30-40 stalls and the other ones lie Electrify America have around 2-4 stalls...
 

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Really crazy to see that by the 6th run the Tesla was running a 15 second quarter mile time. Just brutal. And people say Tesla has superior battery tech and programming...
Well, depends on what you are aiming for. Are you aiming for more range at speeds that normal people will use - max 80mph? Then the Raven will have around 40% better efficiancy than a Taycan at the same speeds. This is why you get so much more range on a Tesla. Plus the 800V technology has its own issues, needs two inverters to work with 50kW chargers and is not supported by most HPC.
So yes, Tesla actually does have a far superior battery and BMS technology. Plus their drive units are more efficient.
 

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Well, depends on what you are aiming for. Are you aiming for more range at speeds that normal people will use - max 80mph? Then the Raven will have around 40% better efficiancy than a Taycan at the same speeds. This is why you get so much more range on a Tesla. Plus the 800V technology has its own issues, needs two inverters to work with 50kW chargers and is not supported by most HPC.
So yes, Tesla actually does have a far superior battery and BMS technology. Plus their drive units are more efficient.
What do you think Tesla plans to modify as part of the new Plaid package?

Elon reported he's going to 'simplify' it...

from the media...

Tesla CEO Elon Musk says that Tesla is going to ‘simplify’ its upcoming Plaid tri-motor upgrade as it “was getting too complex.”

In September of 2019, Tesla announced a Model S with a 3-motor “Plaid powertrain” and new a “chassis prototype.”
Over the next few months, the automaker has been testing Model S prototypes with the new powertrain at the Nürburgring race track.
Tesla CEO Elon Musk first said that the Tesla Model S with a “Plaid” powertrain and new rear-facing seats is coming in Oct/Nov 2020.
After some more testing, the CEO said that the new top performance version of the Model S is coming in summer 2020.
Now Musk says that Tesla is doing some modifications to the Plaid version:
“We’re going to simplify Plaid a little. Was getting too complex.”
He didn’t elaborate on what Tesla plans to modify as part of the new Plaid package, but the Tesla Model S Plaid prototypes spotted at Nürburgring last year had a new fascia, a strange rear spoiler, and more modifications.
The vehicles appear to basically be track-ready versions of the Model S Performance, which is interesting in the context of Tesla now offering a track package for the Model 3 Performance.
It’s also expected to feature a bigger battery pack.
We heard earlier this year that Tesla is working on a new ~110 kWh battery pack that should push the range of the Model S over 400 miles on a single charge.
It’s unclear how or if the simplified Plaid upgrade is going to affect the summer 2020 timeline.
The next-gen Roadster is expected to also get Tesla’s new 3-motor Plaid powertrain, but it should come after the new version of the Model S.
 

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Model S Performance 0-60 mph time is now 2.3 seconds:

"Tesla has updated its Model S Performance, its flagship electric sedan, to advertise a 0 to 60 mph acceleration in just 2.3 seconds.

Back when Tesla introduced the new P100D version of the Model S with the ‘Ludicrous Mode’ for an acceleration from 0 to 60 mph in 2.5 seconds in 2016, the Model S took the crown of the ‘Quickest Production Car in the World’.

The automaker kept improving the car and eventually released a ‘Ludicrous +’ which achieved a 0-60 mph acceleration in a record 2.28-second in some tests.

However, Tesla’s advertised 0 to 60 mph acceleration for the top performance version of the Model S never dip below 2.4 seconds until now.

Tesla updated its online configurator for the Model S last night to now display a 0-60 mph acceleration in just 2.3 seconds:"

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Tesla just announced that they lowered the Model S' 0-60 time to 2.3 seconds and they have a new launch control mode called Cheetah launch.

 

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So Elon Musk was trying a bit too hard to be first to claim the 400-mile range spot, as the EPA discovered.

"According to the CEO, at some point during the testing process, someone left the keys inside the car and the door open overnight. The Model S entered a “waiting for driver” mode, which depleted 2% of the EV’s range, hence the sub-400-mile rating. Musk added that the company plans to retest the Model S with the EPA and is “confident” the test will produce a 400-mile car.
The automaker did not return Roadshow’s request for comment on the situation, but an EPA spokesperson said in a statement, “We can confirm that EPA tested the vehicle properly, the door was closed, and we are happy to discuss any technical issues with Tesla, as we do routinely with all automakers.”


I look forward to that retest to see what numbers are actually produced and even more so with real-world Model S range numbers.
 

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Ok so not they are pushing their electronics EVEN harder than they should for ”winning.” Honestly considering the previous numbers faded almost immediately after one launch it means they are exceeding the design parameters of the car. That is one of the many “real performance EV” characteristic of the Taycan, it does not immediately fade because the components are being overdriven for kiddy level launch specmanship. It can REPEAT its launches and sustain its performance.

Which BTW is also true of the Jaguar I-Pace, when it was tested, unlike any Tesla, it could sustain the same lap time over and over and not start throttling down from heat. Jaguar engineers have said they can obviously launch and do faster 0 to 60 times but they are keeping it to the real sustainable performance parameters.

This is something that most people don’t get about Teslas.
 

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A Taycan Turbo S went against a Model S Performance with Cheetah Launch on the street and it managed to win 3 of 4 races.

 

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A Taycan Turbo S went against a Model S Performance with Cheetah Launch on the street and it managed to win 3 of 4 races.

The Taycan gets amazing 0-60, something the Model S is/was known for, yet its not even the Taycan's strength! Although this is outlined in an old review, its a critical one that makes it clear why the Taycan will always stand out.

 

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Tesla Model S P100D vs Porsche Taycan Turbo S Drag Race!
(DRAG RACE STARTS AT: 2:30 | Hello boys and girls, this is your Pilot speaking, today I have something very special for you! A drag race between the two electric titans. The Porsche Taycan Turbo S 2019 against the 2019 Tesla Model S P100D Ludicrous+ with Cheetah stance launch mode. This is episode 1 from the upcoming Bulgarian Supercars Sunday, that we filmed couple of days ago.)
 
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