201 mile range for Taycan is a deal breaker

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vaf222

Discussion Starter · Dec 12, 2019

The 201 mile range for the Taycan is not good. 201 miles is for a fully charged battery, something you cannot do every day if you don't wish to damage your battery. So, the 90% daily charge that is recommended (at least for Tesla batteries) takes you down to 181 miles. In winter, you loose up to 20% of efficiency which takes you down to about 145 miles.

I have a 2013 Tesla Model S P85, which was top of the line in those days, with a range of 256 miles. My daily charge at 90% is 230 miles. Even with 230 miles I had range anxiety on some longer trips, especially in the winter. I was looking forward to the Taycan; I have one of the first deposits on the car, but with these range figures, it may be fun to drive but you don't have the range flexibility you would want with a car like this. This is especially true now when the charging network is still limited. Porsche has forced me to buy the new Performance Tesla for now and wait until Porsche gets its act together and solve this problem.

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· #2 · Dec 12, 2019

vaf222 said:
The 201 mile range for the Taycan is not good. 201 miles is for a fully charged battery, something you cannot do every day if you don't wish to damage your battery. So, the 90% daily charge that is recommended (at least for Tesla batteries) takes you down to 181 miles. In winter, you loose up to 20% of efficiency which takes you down to about 145 miles.

I have a 2013 Tesla Model S P85, which was top of the line in those days, with a range of 256 miles. My daily charge at 90% is 230 miles. Even with 230 miles I had range anxiety on some longer trips, especially in the winter. I was looking forward to the Taycan; I have one of the first deposits on the car, but with these range figures, it may be fun to drive but you don't have the range flexibility you would want with a car like this. This is especially true now when the charging network is still limited. Porsche has forced me to buy the new Performance Tesla for now and wait until Porsche gets its act together and solve this problem.

Well there is no mincing words on this one.. ex-tesla owner myself ( MS 85d/100d) & prior to that a Porsche owner since age 16. Was looking forward to the Taycan as well and was going to give the car an minimum allowance of 220mi on a 100% SoC for the Taycan Turbo S trim line that I am on the books for at my dealer for the June 2020 build cycle.

I am hoping that Porsche will do something with the range by then. If not, I will forgo on the Turbo S Sedan and wait for the Cross Turismo. In the meantime I have reservations in addition to Taycan with Rivian R1T/R1S and on the waitlist for the Benz EQC/EQS, BMW i4/iNEXT & VW ID Space Vizzion/ID Buzz.

Either way.. Porsche fanboi here so there will be a Porsche in my Garage one way or another. I think Porsche owes us deposit holders a road map on its battery R&D for the Taycan so we have an understanding on where Porsche will take its battery tech & how that will translate to early adopters of the Taycan. I had an opportunity with my dealer to secure a allocation position for a Taycan Turbo 3weeks ago, I didnt take it due to EPA range info & a few other data points that were missing.

Overall, I agree with you that the range is a let down and not enough for my own needs. Price vs. Range benefit, regardless of the Porsche brand is just not feasible imo. So, I am gonna wait a bit longer and hope the lack of range will be sorted as an Audi e-tron 55 Quattro looks a lot better today than it did yesterday.

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Smitty11

· #3 · Dec 12, 2019

I'm starting to get confused with this whole thing because Porsche released testing numbers from AMCI and they claim that the Taycan Turbo can do 275 miles in "real-world city/highway commute driving, Normal Mode"

So the EPA has 201 miles, WLTP has 279 miles and AMCI has 275 miles.

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The Taycan Turbo was driven over two specific routes: AMCI Testing’s Certified City/Highway Route (commute simulation in Normal Mode) and AMCI Testing’s Real-World City Route (city-driving simulation in Range Mode)

All driving was done during weekdays at the same time of day

The vehicle began each test cycle with its state-of-charge (SOC) indicator at 100%

It was operated on course until it entered its restricted-power “limp home” mode—which was considered the vehicle’s terminal mileage for battery depletion

All accessory loads were held consistent during each testing cycle and headlights were set to “Auto”

Specific to the AMCI Testing City/Highway Route:

The Taycan Turbo was operated in Normal Mode with Regen set to “Auto” and HVAC to “ECO”

Driving was precisely coordinated at the speed of traffic up to and including the legal speed limit during city driving, and up to 5 MPH over the legal limit on highways

Specific to the AMCI Testing City Route:

The Taycan Turbo was operated in Range Mode with Regen set to “On” and HVAC to “Off”

Driving was precisely coordinated at the speed of traffic up to and including the legal speed limit

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vaf222

Discussion Starter · #4 · Dec 12, 2019

The AMCI tests were "estimates" that are computer derived not real world driving, don't be fooled.

I should have also mentioned in my original post that you don't drive your EV down to 0 miles for obvious reasons that effect the battery and your state of mind; you normally go down to around 50 miles. Thus, the estimated 145 mile range in the winter for the Taycan is now around 100 miles. And remember, all this is based on "normal" driving at around 55 MPH and below. So if you are out having fun, as will be done with a car like this, the milage is lower.

Smitty11

· #5 · Dec 12, 2019

vaf222 said:
The AMCI tests were "estimates" that are computer derived not real world driving, don't be fooled.

I should have also mentioned in my original post that you don't drive your EV down to 0 miles for obvious reasons that effect the battery and your state of mind; you normally go down to around 50 miles. Thus, the estimated 145 mile range in the winter for the Taycan is now around 100 miles. And remember, all this is based on "normal" driving at around 55 MPH and below. So if you are out having fun, as will be done with a car like this, the milage is lower.

I didn't catch that at first, that's sneaky for the AMCI numbers. Man I wish there was one standard for EV range so we wouldn't have to deal with all these different estimates.

rok

· #6 · Dec 17, 2019

I guess it depends much on how the charging network evolves.

if very fast charging is a available every 100-150 miles, then you stop for short time a bit often.

Also I believe that with Taycan you can more often charge to 100% since they have much more hidden reserve than Tesla for example.

James8955!

· #7 · Dec 17, 2019

rok said:
I guess it depends much on how the charging network evolves.

if very fast charging is a available every 100-150 miles, then you stop for short time a bit often.

Also I believe that with Taycan you can more often charge to 100% since they have much more hidden reserve than Tesla for example.

A growing charging network will be helpful, but for what people are going to be paying for the Taycan they shouldn't have to stop so frequently to charge.

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· #8 · Dec 17, 2019

James8955! said:
A growing charging network will be helpful, but for what people are going to be paying for the Taycan they shouldn't have to stop so frequently to charge.

Electrify America will be spaced out every 70-120mi.. technically you have 2-3hrs worth of drive, take a break, charge up. In addition you also have your local Porsche Branded charging network at all Porsche Dealers in the US/Canada that you can drop by to juice up. Electrify America/Chargepoint/EVgo all have struck a partnership where you can access all chargers on 1 app of your choosing. However.. ONLY on Electrify America and Porsche branded network you get to juice up for 3yrs 30min sessions for free.

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rok

· #9 · Dec 17, 2019

James8955! said:
A growing charging network will be helpful, but for what people are going to be paying for the Taycan they shouldn't have to stop so frequently to charge.

Yeah definately not ideal.. Depends a lot on the average use case.

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Smitty11

· #10 · Dec 20, 2019

TheTaycanDude said:
Electrify America will be spaced out every 70-120mi.. technically you have 2-3hrs worth of drive, take a break, charge up. In addition you also have your local Porsche Branded charging network at all Porsche Dealers in the US/Canada that you can drop by to juice up. Electrify America/Chargepoint/EVgo all have struck a partnership where you can access all chargers on 1 app of your choosing. However.. ONLY on Electrify America and Porsche branded network you get to juice up for 3yrs 30min sessions for free.

That app is going to be so handy to use, they better not skimp out on making it user friendly.

Jack P

· #11 · Dec 25, 2019

TheTaycanDude said:
Well there is no mincing words on this one.. ex-tesla owner myself ( MS 85d/100d) & prior to that a Porsche owner since age 16. Was looking forward to the Taycan as well and was going to give the car an minimum allowance of 220mi on a 100% SoC for the Taycan Turbo S trim line that I am on the books for at my dealer for the June 2020 build cycle.

I am hoping that Porsche will do something with the range by then. If not, I will forgo on the Turbo S Sedan and wait for the Cross Turismo. In the meantime I have reservations in addition to Taycan with Rivian R1T/R1S and on the waitlist for the Benz EQC/EQS, BMW i4/iNEXT & VW ID Space Vizzion/ID Buzz.

Either way.. Porsche fanboi here so there will be a Porsche in my Garage one way or another. I think Porsche owes us deposit holders a road map on its battery R&D for the Taycan so we have an understanding on where Porsche will take its battery tech & how that will translate to early adopters of the Taycan. I had an opportunity with my dealer to secure a allocation position for a Taycan Turbo 3weeks ago, I didnt take it due to EPA range info & a few other data points that were missing.

Overall, I agree with you that the range is a let down and not enough for my own needs. Price vs. Range benefit, regardless of the Porsche brand is just not feasible imo. So, I am gonna wait a bit longer and hope the lack of range will be sorted as an Audi e-tron 55 Quattro looks a lot better today than it did yesterday.

Any thoughts on the independent testing Porsche got on mileage w/ real world driving?Jack P

Jack P

· #12 · Dec 25, 2019

Thoughts on higher mileage Porsche independent testing got ? Jack P

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· #13 · Dec 25, 2019

Jack P said:
Thoughts on higher mileage Porsche independent testing got ? Jack P

Hi there .. sorry for the belated reply.. busy holiday/work crunch .. I will have the Taycan Turbo S for 1 full day on the 30th thanks to my dealer so i will be better informed about the range rather than a 30min test drive. Will report back accordingly about range here in this forum. What i do know is that more improvements to range will be made by Porsche. when/where/how TBD. As for the independent study.. interesting but ultimately the EPA range is displayed on the sticker and in the car. Ultimately it really depends on your driving style

Jack P

· #14 · Dec 25, 2019

TheTaycanDude said:
Hi there .. sorry for the belated reply.. busy holiday/work crunch .. I will have the Taycan Turbo S for 1 full day on the 30th thanks to my dealer so i will be better informed about the range rather than a 30min test drive. Will report back accordingly about range here in this forum. What i do know is that more improvements to range will be made by Porsche. when/where/how TBD. As for the independent study.. interesting but ultimately the EPA range is displayed on the sticker and in the car. Ultimately it really depends on your driving style

Jack P

· #15 · Dec 25, 2019

Thanks Dude
any info on your delivery date?
I have been deposit down about a year.
What state r u in?
Best
Jack P

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· #16 · Dec 25, 2019

Jack P said:
Thanks Dude
any info on your delivery date?
I have been deposit down about a year.
What state r u in?
Best
Jack P

I was in the 1st allotment .. could have had a Turbo around Feb-Apr timeframe, but I chose to forgo and execute my 1st Taycan Turbo S purchase for the June 2020 build cycle as there will be more options available for the car. I should have the Taycan Turbo S in Aug-Sept. 2nd Taycan, Cross Turismo, will be in Q4 2020 with an ETA of Feb-Apr 21. I am here in WA.

Whats your timeframe + trim level you are buying?

Happy Holidays

Jack P

· #17 · Dec 25, 2019

TheTaycanDude said:
Well there is no mincing words on this one.. ex-tesla owner myself ( MS 85d/100d) & prior to that a Porsche owner since age 16. Was looking forward to the Taycan as well and was going to give the car an minimum allowance of 220mi on a 100% SoC for the Taycan Turbo S trim line that I am on the books for at my dealer for the June 2020 build cycle.

I am hoping that Porsche will do something with the range by then. If not, I will forgo on the Turbo S Sedan and wait for the Cross Turismo. In the meantime I have reservations in addition to Taycan with Rivian R1T/R1S and on the waitlist for the Benz EQC/EQS, BMW i4/iNEXT & VW ID Space Vizzion/ID Buzz.

Either way.. Porsche fanboi here so there will be a Porsche in my Garage one way or another. I think Porsche owes us deposit holders a road map on its battery R&D for the Taycan so we have an understanding on where Porsche will take its battery tech & how that will translate to early adopters of the Taycan. I had an opportunity with my dealer to secure a allocation position for a Taycan Turbo 3weeks ago, I didnt take it due to EPA range info & a few other data points that were missing.

Overall, I agree with you that the range is a let down and not enough for my own needs. Price vs. Range benefit, regardless of the Porsche brand is just not feasible imo. So, I am gonna wait a bit longer and hope the lack of range will be sorted as an Audi e-tron 55 Quattro looks a lot better today than it did yesterday.

TheTaycanDude said:
I was in the 1st allotment .. could have had a Turbo around Feb-Apr timeframe, but I chose to forgo and execute my 1st Taycan Turbo S purchase for the June 2020 build cycle as there will be more options available for the car. I should have the Taycan Turbo S in Aug-Sept. 2nd Taycan, Cross Turismo, will be in Q4 2020 with an ETA of Feb-Apr 21. I am here in WA.

Whats your timeframe + trim level you are buying?

Happy Holidays

I optedfor the for S and I think timeframe is approximately April

cometguy

· #18 · Dec 26, 2019

Most sources including professional reviewers who've test-driven the Taycan find general ranges around 250 miles. The EPA is an outlier, and probably is wrong. I suspect that the Trump administration's anti-EV stance, which we know is poisoning the EPA, has caused the EPA to produce all-electric-range numbers that are too small across the board for all vehicles, to try and discourage EV buying and adoption. There is no reason to believe that these EPA numbers for EVs are scientifically accurate, and every reason to believe that they are fudged.

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Axiom

· #19 · Dec 10, 2020

Shmee covered his range anxiety in this new video.

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YYZFuelFree

· #20 · Dec 12, 2020

This might be old news, but a couple of interesting sources:

Engineering Explained: Tesla's Secrets To Dominating EV Range - Double Porsche?!

Car & Driver: The Secret Adjustment Factor Tesla Uses to Get Its Big EPA Range Numbers

P.S. I have neither the Taycan or a Tesla, so I can't independently verify.

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